Loving it! But not sure if there is an issue with timing/tempo?

Nitro
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Loving it! But not sure if there is an issue with timing/tempo?

Postby Nitro » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:28 pm

Have thoroughly enjoyed using H7S so far, but often can't seem to keep things sounding in time.

This is whether I use midi patterns dragged out from the plug itself, or (numerous!) midi patterns I've got from elsewhere, or even drawn in fresh. It all sounds fabulous initially, but then I listen a few times and notice the guitar seems to be dragging off grid in a bad way (not in a "humanised, but groovy" way... Like, dragging off rhythm.)

I initially thought I had figured it out... By adjusting chord detect time to zero and strumming speed etc. Thought that must be it, but then, after a few cycles it seems to be falling off again. This is with Bitwig, Win 10. The workflow involves a lot of looping whilst building arrangements etc, hence why the timing always becomes noticeable.

I've tended to shift the midi off-grid whichever way sounds OK, once an arrangement is forming, and is not always bad if the pattern isn't intricate anyway. I've got good results at times just getting on with it, but the problem seems to keep turning up when I start new things etc. And often exported projects sound like they have strange speed shifts from the guitar(s) that I didn't notice until hearing it back later.

As I say, loving the plug in spite of this! Sounds great. And hope it is just a bug that can be ironed out... Also hoping it is not just me failing to fully understand how the plug works, or something!
jiandingzhe
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Re: Loving it! But not sure if there is an issue with timing/tempo?

Postby jiandingzhe » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:55 am

Hi,

We have a strike-in for each sample. It make the sound more realistic but induces latency, and cannot be eliminated by changing chord detect time or strumming speed.

To cope with it, you can induce a negative latency for the MIDI track that use Heaver7Strings. The way to do that is different in various DAWs. If you don't know how to do that, please tell us the DAW you are using, and we will help you if we know that DAW.

If possible, don't drag MIDI notes off-grid, as it would be very inconvenient.

Another way is to modify sample playing start time in settings panel. This would reduce delay induced by the strike-in sound, but modify too much would eat up the head and make a strange sound.
Nitro
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Re: Loving it! But not sure if there is an issue with timing/tempo?

Postby Nitro » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:16 am

Thanks for the quick response!

Glad there are some options to deal with this, my DAW is Bitwig. Lot of re-playing of clips and looping etc, hence why the latency becomes so noticeable I guess.
jiandingzhe
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Re: Loving it! But not sure if there is an issue with timing/tempo?

Postby jiandingzhe » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:28 am

Nitro wrote:Thanks for the quick response!

Glad there are some options to deal with this, my DAW is Bitwig. Lot of re-playing of clips and looping etc, hence why the latency becomes so noticeable I guess.


It seems Bitwig just not providing track delay function:
http://qbview.url.cn/getResourceInfo?appid=31&url=https%3A%2F%2Fanswers.bitwig.com%2Fquestions%2F1154%2Ftrack-delay%3Fnsukey%3Dw%252F3Rc2yk%252FXE%252Fo6U3xKUNsXJUL3h1uJxyBJlPct2oaywlxDQHff5aVM3QERN6lMdL%252BoA3TrMtfJzI8gkNqUjD2m8oRkrv%252BEOKMCJMMTzc2DadBCKVMWSTvHvSeYECanjBD7Wv7j8jFT0NdX24nZRsCVbTYZnWHnU%252Fe7Fqnxfh%252FWL9o5WVh5kZgGG1nwmp5QHY&version=10000&doview=1&ua=Mozilla%2F5.0+(X11%3B+Linux+x86_64)+AppleWebKit%2F537.36+(KHTML%2C+like+Gecko)+Chrome%2F60.0.3112.101+Safari%2F537.36&keeplink=0&reformat=0
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=259&t=433877&sid=6fcb72cc17e3a17ea1035971e1c476a3

Besides manually setting track delay, there is an interface for a VST plugin to tell the host about its delay. But currently this function in Heavier7Strings doesn't working properly. Now we are working on this issue, and it will be fixed shortly.
Nitro
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Re: Loving it! But not sure if there is an issue with timing/tempo?

Postby Nitro » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:07 am

Ahh, I see!

Huge thanks for investigating and I'm very much looking forward to future updates.

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